Document ISO/IEC/JTC 1/SC 22/WG 23 N1383

Draft Agenda Meeting #76
ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22/WG23

20 November 2023 1900-2200 UTC


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Stephen Michell is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

Topic: SC 22/WG 23 Meeting 77

Time: May 20, 2024 15:00 Universal Time UTC

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Agenda

76.1 Opening activities

76.1.1 Opening Comments

76.1.2 Introduction of Participants/Roll Call

76.1.3 Procedures for this Meeting

76.1.4 Approval of previous Minutes of meeting 75 and 76

76.1.6 Approval of Agenda

76.1.7 Future Meeting Schedule

The main meeting schedule is to progress documents in sub-WG meetings. On an as-needed basis a meeting of the full group is scheduled to progress work to SC 22 for ISO balloting, to propose to SC 22 add or remove documents from the WG 23 schedule and to manage general WG 23 work.



76.2 Liaison Activities (for in-person meetings only)

76.2.1 PL22.3/WG5 (Fortran)

76.2.2 WG4 (COBOL)

76.2.3 WG9 (Ada) Erhard Ploedereder

76.2.4 PL22.11/WG14 C Clive Pygott

76.2.5 PL22.16/WG21 (C++) Michael Wong
76.2.6 MISRA C Clive Pygott

76.2.7 MISRA (C++) Clive Pygott

76.2.8 SPARK Erhard Ploedereder

76.2.9 Other Liaison Activities or National body reports

76.3. Report from SC 22 (Convenor)

The main topic of this meeting is the free availability of ISO/IEC 24772, all parts. Note from the SC 22 chair:

    Today in a meeting of JTC 1/AHG 5, the JTC 1 chair announced that ISO and IEC have largely approved our request to improve the criteria for no-cost availability of deliverables.

    This directly affects some SC 22 documents favorably, notably at the moment a suite of documents in development in WG 23, but also others.

    I have attached two documents that show the results.  If ISO incorrectly rejects your application for no-cost availability, you can show them these documents to explain why they should have been accepted.

    The new criteria are laid out clearly on the last page of the first document, JTC 1/AHG 5 N 49.  Most importantly to us, amendments and revisions of documents that were previously approved for free availability will now be approved as long as their scope has not been expanded.  There are a few things to note.

*  ISO and IEC have approved these new criteria for a one-year trial period (as shown in the second attached document).  The JTC 1 chair notes that it will probably not be exactly a year; it could be anywhere from 9-18 months.  Consequently, now is the time to push through any documents that you want to get approved under the new criteria.  There is a good chance the new criteria will be extended after the trial period, but there are no guarantees.

*  Technical Reports and Technical Specifications have had their eligibility restored.  There is no longer a need to upgrade a document to a standard for the sole purpose of getting it approved for no-cost availability.

*  There will be a new web site for free downloads, and it will require people to create an account for themselves and tell ISO and IEC who they are.  This does not affect their ability to get documents for free; ISO and IEC are just frustrated that currently there are no data on how widely no-cost documents are being used, and they want to collect some.

*  The current free download web site says that the documents are being made available for purposes of standardization.  ISO and IEC recognize that this statement is meaningless because *all* documents are available for free for the purpose of standardization.  They recognize that because everyone knows this, they will see that the statement on the web site is meaningless and will ignore it.  However, they are going to retain the wording because some companies have downloaded free ISO and IEC documents and bundled them into larger libraries for sale, and there needs to be some kind of statement that says they can't do that.  The current statement is not ideal for that purpose, but they are retaining it while they think about what to do.

    I want to acknowledge the JTC 1 chair for leading the charge and pressing our case to ISO and IEC.  The current success would not have been achieved without his enthusiastic support.



24772-1 is in the final stages of balloting as an IS, hence re-balloting it now as a TR seems pointless. However, it is possible that we will want to ballot the other parts, 24772-2 Ada, 24772-3 C, etc. as TR/'s is open for discussion.

The documents that the SC 22 chair talks about are registered as WG 23 documents N1384 and 1385.

76.4 Document Review

N1326 WG 24772-8 Fortran language vulnerabilities

76.6 Review of Assignment of responsibilities

76.7 Resolutions and Action Items



76.8. Adjournment